Harappa Participants Haplogroups

Posted by on July 22, 2011

All the ancestry analysis here has been based on the autosomal genome (i.e., the SNPs on chromosomes 1-22) and not on the sex chromosomes X and Y or the mitochondrial DNA. The reason is basically that the autosome provides information about your overall ancestry.

Since the Y chromosome is inherited only from father to son, it is useful for finding out about your paternal line. Similarly, mitochondrial DNA is inherited from mother to child, so that's good for information on the maternal line. Note however that the paternal and maternal lines are not the sum total of your ancestry. In fact, it is quite possible to have very different mtDNA or Y-DNA ancestry compared to your whole genome.

Anyway, many people are interested in paternal (Y-DNA) haplogroups and maternal (mtDNA) haplogroups. AV requested information on the haplogroups of Harappa Project participants and SB created a spreadsheet where project participants can enter their paternal and maternal haplogroups. I am also pulling that information into my Harappa Participants Ethnicity spreadsheet.

If you tested with 23andme, here are the links to their maternal and paternal haplogroup pages.

Now go ahead and enter your information in the haplogroups spreadsheet.

You might also want to take a look at the Harappa Participants Map.

UPDATE: Please be considerate of others' privacy. Only disclose someone else's information (haplogroups, location, or anything else) if you have explicit permission to do so. Thanks!

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35 Comments.

  1. razib July 22, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    r1a1a IN DA HOUSE.

  2. Jayanth July 22, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Looks like somebody already did the job for me, and I think I pretty well know who it is. I understand that some of the participants here are over-enthusiastic about this project, but I would prefer if they stick to their own project ID, instead of updating other peoples' information, especially those they don't have permission from.

  3. Essie July 26, 2011 at 5:12 am

    Zack - As you point out MtDNA and Y-DNA make up a small but interesting part of our genetic make-up. As a female I have not inherited any Y-DNA from my father and, in regard to this project, my MtDNA is not really relevant as it is my father who is of South Asian birth, and descent (around 50%). My father was tested at Genebase so we know his Haplogroups. I'm wondering if it would be of any interest for mixed race/female participants to post their South Asian/male parent's haplogroup(s) in the next column(s), if known?

    • Zack July 26, 2011 at 6:13 am

      Women in the project can definitely post their father's Y-DNA Haplogroup if known.

    • AV July 30, 2011 at 10:36 pm

      Essie, if you don't mind me asking, are you HRP011? Assuming that the plain HV classification is based on 23andMe's rather out-dated classification system; I'd strongly recommend running your father's mtDNA file on James Lick's mtDNA Haplogroup utility (http://vps1.jameslick.com/dna/mthap/), that furnishes the individual's best mtDNA matches. Additionally, you might receive a more refined classification for your father's HV based on the tested SNPs. Following the release of Phylotree Build 12, HV13 has now been recognized as an official sub-clade of the broader HV group. See here for the R0 sub-tree (http://www.phylotree.org/tree/subtree_R0.htm). There are two Tamil-speaking Brahmins right here, in this very project who belong to the aforementioned mtDNA Haplogroup. The example accessions over at PhyloTree.org cites an Armenian individual and an Iranian individual. It'd be interesting to see what sub-clade your father turns out to be.

  4. JDP July 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    I didn't give my halpogroup information. I find it quite annoying that someone would post without my consent. That worries me in terms of how the information is being handled here.

    • Zack July 26, 2011 at 8:09 pm

      Since the spreadsheet is public, I have no way of controlling who enters information there. I can only assure you that I did not enter haplogroups for you or anyone else I did not have explicit permission from.

      I apologize for the trouble this has caused you. I am adding a note to the post asking people to be considerate of others' privacy.

    • Simranjits July 27, 2011 at 5:10 am

      This is very bad, you should take immediate drastic actions to safeguard your privacy. God knows what people are doing with this information.

  5. AV July 27, 2011 at 5:34 am

    Looks like accounting for haplogroups was a bad idea. I thought it would be a fun exercise to partially establish haplogroup frequencies in under-sampled South Asian groups. Scrap this idea if it's much too tedious, Zack. Many people seem to be rather worried about giving this information (I don't see why, though - more than happy to listen to some sort of reasoning). Why exactly is it so dangerous for one to put out their y-DNA and mtDNA against their alpha-numeric ID? It isn't as if your haplogroups are listed against your real name.

    • Zack July 27, 2011 at 6:42 am

      I see no harm in making my haplogroups public, but then I made my genotyping results public. However, this is something every person should decide by himself/herself how much information they want to be known publicly and we have to respect their wishes.

      • SB July 27, 2011 at 10:16 am

        I think people should enter their own information, and not others. It has nothing to do with the haplogroup info per-se(no security risk there) but that personal information(of whatever magnitude) is being made public without consent.

        • razib July 27, 2011 at 1:04 pm

          but that personal information(of whatever magnitude) is being made public without consent.

          this is correct in principle, but do note that it's basically totally futile online. go to pipl.com, and you an find out how much property tax your friends have paid and who they lived with over the past 10 years.

    • Jayanth July 27, 2011 at 11:27 pm

      The participants of this project are people who have given their entire raw data to Zack, so it's not that they are worried about giving information. It's quite simply a question of propreity.

      • Jayanth July 27, 2011 at 11:32 pm

        In addition, Zack is the researcher here, and we have given him, and only him, the right to analyse our data, and publish information as he sees fit. Just because the culprit in this case has some information by virtue of sharing on 23andMe does not mean he's entitled to represent us.

      • Razib Khan July 28, 2011 at 1:42 pm

        It's quite simply a question of propreity.

        this sounds right.

  6. Ian July 27, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Just R. Not R*, not R-something. No idea why that is. Obviously they don't like me. My mt haplogroup (U2d) is interesting, but that comes from my German mother, not my Indo-Trini father.

    • AV July 30, 2011 at 10:50 pm

      To my knowledge, most Rs and R*s are now R2s, and the folks who were originally plainly R2 are now R2a/R2a*.

  7. SB July 27, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    I have added Pie Charts for y_DNA and mtDNA in the haplogroup spreadsheets

    • SB July 27, 2011 at 6:46 pm

      I forgot to add that the charts are posted as separate charts in the haplogroup spreadsheet. Look on the bottom right of the sheet for the tabs for the "Y-DNA Pie Chart" and the "mtDNA Pie Chart"

  8. RanilB August 1, 2011 at 6:46 am

    Does anyone know anything about the origins of H1a*?